[No, your point was that LD -original LD- was better than anything a hi-def display could pull off. You were wrong, and now you've dug yourself into a hole. A hole so deep you've ended up coming out with this:]

No, the point was perfectly made, It was a general stating of the obvious that Analog in ANY form is better, AND clearer to look at than any form of Digital media.

See any pixels on your CRT? No hmmm..
See any pixels on your LD player? No hmmm..

Sure there’s this article:-
http://tech.uk.msn.com/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4653125

But is’nt the whole point of buying a big screen so that you get the cinema experience? You should be able to sit close to be fully emersed.
With Analog you can, without noticing any defects at all.
But with Digital, image jerkiness through out of date codecs, dark scenes show awful loss of depth of image through the ’space saving’ DAT TAPE type Sony technology. The aweful bit glitches when signals drop, it’s just goddamn awful! By comparison, which most know it alls have’nt actually done.

[If you honestly think that your RF analogue TV transmissions look better than high-res digital media on a HD set, then I'll leave you to live on in your marvelous fantasy.]

DOH! Again Digital fans FAIL to answer this very simple question.. Does Analog transmission suffer digital breakup blocks?, high pitched screeching? and alarmingly regular max headroom style double takes?, when transmission REGULARLY drops out. No?

I think we all know who’s living in a fantasy world. It ain’t me son.

Hanna Barbera died condemning the Digital age, so much so, he took his original animation cells to the grave.
Surely that tells you something? He’ll have been subject to more technology than anyone on these boards.

This PS3 revolt is’nt just about price, or the fact that it looks like an economy heater. It’s also about the sybolic rejection of HD, as no one sees the need to downgrade to a pixel ridden image, when their Analog signal is fine as it is thankyou!

Once you commit to one area of HD you have to upgrade everything else, and that is’nt bl@@dy cheap is it? Seems to me another way of pricing out the less well off and sod them if they’ve got a crap image.

Anyway MY first and final STILL UNANSWERED question is, how can I get rid of these pixels that I never had before on my TV?

Upscaling? lol don’t even go there…

[No, your point was that LD -original LD- was better than anything a hi-def display could pull off. You were wrong, and now you've dug yourself into a hole. A hole so deep you've ended up coming out with this:]

No, the point was perfectly made, It was a general stating of the obvious that Analog in ANY form is better, AND clearer to look at than any form of Digital media.

See any pixels on your CRT? No hmmm..
See any pixels on your LD player? No hmmm..

Sure there’s this article:-
http://tech.uk.msn.com/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4653125

But is’nt the whole point of buying a big screen so that you get the cinema experience? You should be able to sit close to be fully emersed.
With Analog you can, without noticing any defects at all.
But with Digital, image jerkiness through out of date codecs, dark scenes show awful loss of depth of image through the ’space saving’ DAT TAPE type Sony technology. The aweful bit glitches when signals drop, it’s just goddamn awful! By comparison, which most know it alls have’nt actually done.

[If you honestly think that your RF analogue TV transmissions look better than high-res digital media on a HD set, then I'll leave you to live on in your marvelous fantasy.]

DOH! Again Digital fans FAIL to answer this very simple question.. Does Analog transmission suffer digital breakup blocks?, high pitched screeching? and alarmingly regular max headroom style double takes?, when transmission REGULARLY drops out. No?

I think we all know who’s living in a fantasy world. It ain’t me son.

Hanna Barbera died condemning the Digital age, so much so, he took his original animation cells to the grave.
Surely that tells you something? He’ll have been subject to more technology than anyone on these boards.

This PS3 revolt is’nt just about price, or the fact that it looks like an economy heater. It’s also about the sybolic rejection of HD, as no one sees the need to downgrade to a pixel ridden image, when their Analog signal is fine as it is thankyou!

Once you commit to one area of HD you have to upgrade everything else, and that is’nt bl@@dy cheap is it? Seems to me another way of pricing out the less well off and sod them if they’ve got a crap image.

Anyway MY first and final STILL UNANSWERED question is, how can I get rid of these pixels that I never had before on my TV?

Upscaling? lol don’t even go there…

“jeez even analog transmission looks better tha digital transmission on a digital TV!”
I’m having a hard time even bringing myself to respond, it’s just not sporting. If you honestly think that your RF analogue TV transmissions look better than high-res digital media on a HD set, then I’ll leave you to live on in your marvelous fantasy. Just be aware that to the rest of the world you’re that crazy old man waving his fists at them new-fangled automobiles.

FriedLizard[Billy Morris - "I'm a Microsoft networker"
Had a good laugh at this one. He doesn't even know the right name for whatever worthless bit of certification he's working on - marvelous stuff, keep them coming Bill.]

Hey I never mentioned credentials until the holier than thou [Friday] brought it up, I concider it low. But if you really insist the exam no. for MCSE/MCSA is 70-270. [Friday] Seems to think because he works for sky and is trying to sell fucking HD set top boxes at £300 a pop, that he must know it all.

I’m glad you brought up Muse in fact, because is shows how you’ve missed my points completely. HD LD would be like HD only no fucking pixels!!

OK A very simple example then is the differences between the old analog cameras and the new digital ones. Sure you can zoom in easier on a PC, but you look at a normal photo, can you see a pixel anywhere??? go on get the magnifying glass out ffs.
Dont you think there was a very good reason people complained about the quality of digital camera originally? Which brings me back to my original point of ppl compromising quality over size. Digitals easy and small, thats all that its got going for it.
If I had Lucas’s and Speilburgs number i’d give you it, maybe then you could get answers on why they championed Laserdisc to the end, and why they hated DVD. Like i’ve said its visually obvious, jeez even analog transmission looks better tha digital transmission on a digital TV!

Another example of how strong analog is, is when you get a bad analog signal, sure the sound goes a bit and you’ll get a slightly grainy picture.

What happens with digital? and will happen with your £300 Sky HD transmission during the world cup?
Loud painful high pitched screaching noises, blockey breakup, IF you recieve any information at all. By then the opposing team scores, awww what a shame you missed it.

Just like your all missing the simplist point ever made.

Here’s a thinker for you: if LD quality was so gloriously high, why did they need to bring out HD LD’s, with Hi-Vision/MUSE…? And another: if content is recorded digitally, are you still trying to say that it’ll look better after being converted to analogue? No? Then do you realise the tiny percentage of content that doesn’t get at least digitally edited before you see it?

Jack: What caused you to switch sides, dont encourage this idiot ffs. You contradict your statements about ‘Microsoft don’t lie?? Fucking hell, have you spent the last ten years living under a rock?’

Jack[Time-sharing" is a term for a particular mathod of determining what processes the processor should be dealing with. It is now a common synonym for multi-tasking. It is perfectly possible and common to multi-task on one processor, peop[le have been doing it since the 70's.]

Jack[WHat you are talking about is Multi Processing, which is the act of running two processor together in the same system (regardless of whether those procesors are multi-tasking or working in tandem on a single task). MS is guilty of persuading people that accurate use of terminology isn't important. Look what happens when you believe that]

Friday[That is (what everyone on planet Earth - baring some guy apparently reading out of an MSDN book - calls) scheduling. The ability to do scheduling in some form is exactly what multi-tasking is and doesn't require SMP hardware of any sort.]

WRONG!! Going back to the 70’s your ‘Multi-processing’ is actually Multi-tasking.

The term multi-tasking HAS been adopted by noobs within the last few years to describe time sharing which is the correct term.

I agree experience does count over a piece of paper, but that’s just your own inferiority complex and nothing to do with me, you act like ‘i’m’ the overbearing know it all lol. I study Microsoft for a living thats all, I dont actually support them morally.
[You have shown ample evidence of not knowing what the fuck you're talking about in your own field, why should we beleieve anything that comes out of your mouth in any other field? ]

Well what can I say? but right back at ya ;)

Friday[Easy! Use a half decent upscaler (which you won't find in a cheapo 1,000 GBP HDTV...). Try a brand like Pinoneer (not LG, or whatever is on sale in Argos this week). ]

Well if your calling a £1,000 cheap what you doing on this website? £1,000 should be more than enough money on a decent picture, and ANY TV should come with upscalers if thats what it takes to compensate for crappy digital ffs

Friday[Oh, and you'll need to then set the picture mode to be somewhat blurry to make up for the antialiasing done by the upscaler to improve the quality - just enough to decrease it so it can look as bad as it did on a CRT.]

This comment just proves you are truly insane.

Clearly i’ll have to downgrade at some point because as with PS forces, the TV market place is ruled by people who dont have a fucking clue.

Friday[I also note you were the guy who also said of the Wii/360 "if you can afford it" (even though it's hardly expensive), so the point about not buying especially cheap and naff stuff seem worth making.]

This comment was clearly aimed at the majority who wont be able to afford two consoles “if you can afford it” isnt saying-because theyre expensive. It just means buy both if you can because they’ve both got equal measure of good/bad points.

Anyway, i’m clearly wasting my time explaining something to people which is visually obvious.
Youtube is great, but I would’nt wanna watch my movies on it, HD just conceals the problem with extra pixels.
Point to note: George Lucas (inventor of THX)only just went fully digital because he hated DVD. Speilburg is still resisting and good luck to him.

You said that MS didn’t lie & I called you a moron for doing so. Glad to see my opinion proved.

Friday, I’m a Microsoft networker

You mean you have an MCSE, and believe the lies MS say about that? STay in the industry long enough and you’ll see why old-hands say it stands for Must Consult Someone Experienced. In my experiewnce, most MCSEs are clueless idiots with a way over-exaggerated opinion of their own superiority who lack the knowledge to know what they don’t know.

which you need to know the basic differences between Analog and digital for
You just need to know that the data is transmitted along that bit of wire in a digital form, and maybe a bit about ADCs, clocking codes and Nyquist’s theorem. Regardless, knowing a smattering of digital comms (or even analogue comms) does not give you any experience or knowledge of analogue A/V aisde from the actual transmission.

Look up the term, IRQ or Interrupt Request.

LOL – that MCSE training really coming in handy there?

IRQs are not a sequence of things that the processor deals with. They are signal lines into the processor that, as the name suggests, a device can use to interrupt the processor. Triggering this forces the processor to stop what it is doing, and immediately execute other code – typically in order to deal with whatever the device wants. Theconcept of interrupts goes back a long way before multi-tasking.

“Time-sharing” is a term for a particular mathod of determining what processes the processor should be dealing with. It is now a common synonym for multi-tasking. It is perfectly possible and common to multi-task on one processor, peop[le have been doing it since the 70’s.

WHat you are talking about is Multi Processing, which is the act of running two processor together in the same system (regardless of whether those procesors are multi-tasking or working in tandem on a single task). MS is guilty of persuading people that accurate use of terminology isn’t important. Look what happens when you believe that.

You have shown ample evidence of not knowing what the fuck you’re talking about in your own field, why should we beleieve anything that comes out of your mouth in any other field?

Oh, and you’ll need to then set the picture mode to be somewhat blurry to make up for the antialiasing done by the upscaler to improve the quality – just enough to decrease it so it can look as bad as it did on a CRT.

I wonder if you realise how much stuff is filmed in ether a native digital format or in high resolution film these days, and so your quality on the CRT is much worse because the stream has ALREADY been downscaled by the broadcaster, and you’ve just lossed a whole bunch of data that other users with HDTV feeds are able to see very clearly.

I also note you were the guy who also said of the Wii/360 “if you can afford it” (even though it’s hardly expensive), so the point about not buying especially cheap and naff stuff seem worth making.

This is called TIME SHARING, which the hard of thinking ALWAYS confuse with MULTI-TASKING.

That is (what everyone on planet Earth – baring some guy apparently reading out of an MSDN book – calls) scheduling. The ability to do scheduling in some form is exactly what multi-tasking is and doesn’t require SMP hardware of any sort.

Even Windows 95 and Mac OS Classic support multi-tasking. I have a PDA that supports multi-tasking. It’s pretty basic stuff.

Do I need to explain the ^W in my previous post to you too?

Oh and Jack was disagreeing with you ITYF.

Friday, I’m a Microsoft networker(not working for them) which you need to know the basic differences between Analog and digital for. So your credentials mean nothing, and mentioning the other massive corrupt organisation SKY ffs lol, even Richard Branson can see Rupert Murdock want’s to rule the world.

[I still love your notion that 'analog' media doesn't have a resolution and that non-flat screen TV's don't have pixels]

Analog has scan lines, which digital, digitises and cuts up unto its ‘resolution’. Meaning if an area would fill 3/4 of a pixel red. Then that pixel becomes red( the mean average of what ever the original pure analog image shows.

This is why when you turn the contrast/brightness down on your TV you can now see colour gradients, like you get with low quality mpeg encoding. These gradients never existed on analog, and have a diverse impact on the depth of image. Which is why original complaints for DVD’s were that everything/everybody looked like cardboard cut outs.

The fact that you’ve never owned a Laserdisc player says it all, instead your like so many other know it alls who cough and spit and something they dont understand. Mainly because of the price at the time, which incidentally matched the HD prices as Laserdisc at it’s time was truly high end. As oppose to this flogging of a dead horse that it HD.

[For someone who apparently doesn't have the hang of html yet, I'm not surprised you are out of your depth here.]

You mean Hyper Text Markup Language? Yes, remember i’m a networker, I just type my way, sloppy sometimes but who gives a shit, this is only one of many sites I visit.

[Oh and having multiple cores has err nothing to do with multitasking. Is there no limit^W begining to your knowledge? ]

Judging from this comment, I think it’s clear who’s out of their depth lmao.

Look up the term, IRQ or Interrupt Request.
Your processer has cycles.. yes?
Each cycle has a list in order of priority eg.
1. Keyboard
2. VGA Video Display
3. Available
4. COM1, COM3
5. Available, unless used forLPT2 or Soundcard
6. Floppy Controller
7. Parallel Port LPT1
8. Real-time clock
9. Redirected IRQ2
10. Available
11. Available
12. PS/2 Mouse
13. Math coprocessor
14. HDD Controller
15. Available

Each device has a small piece of its instructions dealt with each time the processor goes through its cycle.
This is called TIME SHARING, which the hard of thinking ALWAYS confuse with MULTI-TASKING.

Everybody knows Amiga has two separate processors so one processor was able to take care of desktop activity, and the other background activity. Now we have the Dual-Core which is two processors in one.
The only reason they’ve actually got around to doing this is because they’ve finally made chip speeds as fast a they can go.

Hope that was’nt too techy.

Friday you seem to know all the answers, just tell me why a £1,000 TV full of pixels is worth it, and how do I get a normal transmission to look anything like it does on my Analog transmission on a CRT (Cathode Ray Tube)?

I still love your notion that ‘analog’ media doesn’t have a resolution and that non-flat screen TV’s don’t have pixels. Oh and no I don’t own a Laserdisc (and as far as I can reacall I’ve only know one person who has), yes I’ve seen a few actually, no they are not better than a high quality ASP or H.262 MPEG stream.

For someone who apparently doesn’t have the hang of html yet, I’m not surprised you are out of your depth here.

Oh and having multiple cores has err nothing to do with multitasking. Is there no limit^W begining to your knowledge?